Diversity On The Front Page: Some Ideas For MyDD

Interesting ideas - Matt

As a regular reader of MyDD, I'd like to put up a general request to see more diversity on the front page as we move into the next political cycle.  This topic came up a while back and I thought it led to a valuable discussion on many levels.  Now that the  most recent elections are behind us, and new ones are not quite upon us, I thought this would be a good time to revisit the topic.

I include a few suggestions after the fold, and call on the rest of the readership to add their ideas.  

Women Bloggers
I'd like to see more women writing on the MyDD front page.  Given that people are invited to post on the front page, all I am requesting is that the choice to invite women to post on the front page be added to the mix.  Women blogging in local elections, women writing on strategy or policy issues--just more women writing on the front page.  In particular, I'd like to see MyDD play a more active role in identifying women bloggers and giving them more prominence in the national discussion by having them post on the front page.

Race As A Polling Topic
One of the real strenghts on MyDD is the original, insightful polling.  I'd like to see the MyDD folks who bring this data and analysis to our attention start thinking about ways to include race.  I don't know how to do this, exactly, so I just want to request that the MyDD pollsters include race amongst the many other important factors that comes up in posts on polling.

Blogging About The Military
While it may seem strange to include the military in a diary about diversity, I think it is worth bringing up.   MyDD writers are incredibly talented at building bridges to communities engaged in political debate.  I'd like to see an attempt to reach out towards the military--soldiers,  veterans, etc.   Invited bloggers, military topics--I am not exactly sure of the best way to do this, but it should include both voices from the military and writing about military issues.

Links In Open Thread Posts
In general, I do not think that links on a blog page make much of a difference, but posts that include links do make a difference.   I'd like to propose that the MyDD front pagers start using the Open Thread links to make the MyDD readership more aware of diverse blogs in the progressive blogsphere.  This would take the form of puting 3-5 links to new blogs in an Open Thread post, instead  of the usual "Talk amongst yourselves..." post.  This may take an extra 20 minutes, but it would be a great way to grow the progressive network, build bridges, etc.

Your Suggestions?
I want to emphasize that these are just some suggestions thrown into the mix from a reader who supports the editorial decisions of this site--they are not demands.  

Feel free to throw your own suggestions or ideas into the comment thread.


Poll
I'd also like to see more of this on the MyDD front page:
Women Bloggers
Race As A Polling Topic
Blogging About The Military
Links In Open Thread Posts

Votes: 57
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Diversity On The Front Page (3.00 / 1)

I like your suggestions, Jeffrey.

As for my own... We in the netroots often talk a lot about not tearing down other Democrats, with Joe Lieberman often being the case in point.  I agree wholeheartedly with this notion, and I think we should keep it up.  But it bugs me so much when I see some of the front-pagers here do just that and tear down fellow Democrats any time they make any sort of minor mistake, with the usual victims being Obama and Hillary Clinton.  Do I wish Obama and Clinton would say or do things differently sometimes?  Sure, but they're not the source of all evil, and it does us know good to simply tear apart two of our party's biggest leaders, and two likely Presidential nominees.


Rudy Giuliani hates firefighters. And puppies.
by Fran for Dean on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 10:47:07 AM EST

Re: Diversity On The Front Page (none / 0)

It's not about tearing them down, it's about accountability and, too, about keep them honest.  It's the only way (ie, public scrutiny) to keep our public officials and representatives aware of their worth before their constituents' eyes.  I'm all for keeping our representatives honest, can only see constructive scrutiny as a plus.


Vox Mia -- Adding My Voice to the Chorus
by bedobe on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 12:03:58 PM EST
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Re: Diversity On The Front Page (none / 0)

it bugs me so much when I see some of the front-pagers here...tear down fellow Democrats any time they make any sort of minor mistake, with the usual victims being Obama and Hillary Clinton.

Why just "fellow"[sic] Democrats?  Why tear down Bush and Rove and Cheney because they too made a little misjudgment over Iraq and civil rights and Joe Lieberman and labor and like that?

Let us all be forgiving and say nice things about Tom DeLay and all those others headed for the pokey and those already housed.

Grand idea.

Best,  Terry  


by terryhallinan on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 05:15:16 PM EST
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Re: Diversity On The Front Page: Some Ideas For My (none / 0)

I would add blogging about science issues.  The Dems have been very strong (given their lack of political power) is exposing 'the War on Science', and it's something that this site should be covering more frequently.  For instance, how is stifling a NASA scientist any different than stifling a Pentagon whistleblower.  One is called 'politics' and gets discussed, the other is called 'science' and is ignored by those who have the capacity to change something.


by mfeld356 on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 11:55:12 AM EST

Re: Diversity On The Front Page: Some Ideas For My (3.00 / 1)

The environment would be a nice addition to the list as well.

It is a great wedge issue for us even though it is hard to believe that the Earth should have to be a wedge issue.

It is a great issue to rally suppurt from all sides of the political spectrum.


by gobears on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 12:49:39 PM EST

Can we just focus on content? (3.00 / 1)

I don't see the point of these suggestions.

I come to MyDD for wonky conversation about politics, with a focus on events that are happening.

Whether someone is female, in the army, or dark-skinned has absolutely no bearing on whether or not I read their posts. I am here to read content about progressives and moving the progressive agenda forward in today's political environment. I see no value in calling out specific subcategories of putative FP'ers. Because it's all about the content. Good content gets read and recommended. It drives discussion.

Similarly, if a particular contributor organically emerges to be a compelling voice of useful opinion, I see no impediment to their being named a FP'er. That voice might be military-slanted, or gender-slanted, or culturally-slanted. Or it might not.

I'm not a fuddy-duddy and I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade. I want chunky front-page posts like we get today. I honestly don't care who provides them. I see no value in asking for some sort of artificial promotion or emphasis of a "category" of contributor.

If we see enough good posts from a particular woman/minority/soldier we'll have found that diverse view here. If not, then there are other places to look. Goodness knows you can get all the terrific female blogging you want at FDL. And dkos routinely has useful posts from every imaginable progressive interest group.

I repeat, I'm not out to stifle creativity. I just don't see how this fits with the basic wonky nature of MyDD discussions. And I'd hate to dilute the content in an attempt to diversify. It's not like there's some sort of active exclusion going on.


Karl in Drexel Hill, PA
by KB on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 01:21:08 PM EST

Re: Can we just focus on content? (none / 0)

The ideas in this post/thread do focus on content.


by Jeffrey Feldman on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 01:24:55 PM EST
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Re: Can we just focus on content? (none / 0)

...except for the parts about having women and military people doing the blogging.

I like the suggestion about links but I'm not sure what's different about that and what "Breaking Blue" does. That generally does a good job of sending me all of the internets looking at interesting stuff.


Karl in Drexel Hill, PA
by KB on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 01:34:53 PM EST
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Re: Can we just focus on content? (3.00 / 1)

My suggestions are 100% about conent.  You are not making making a "content" argument, but a "quality" argument (e.g., if MyDD solicitations for front page conent include consideratioons of gender, race or military status, then that will lower the "quality" of the content).

What makes you think the quality of front page posts will go down if the ideas proposed in this thread are taken into consideration?


by Jeffrey Feldman on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 01:40:49 PM EST
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Re: Can we just focus on content? (3.00 / 1)

With the majority of commentators not using the real names, I think a focus on identity politics looks out of place. Blogs should be a place we should judge on the content of the argument, not on who is saying it.


Bob Brigham Blog
by Bob Brigham on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 02:21:35 PM EST
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Re: Can we just focus on content? (none / 0)

The MyDD editors solicit content through a variety of channels, some anonymous, some not.  My suggestion is to include these new ideas for soliciting content in the thinking moving forward, not to scrap all previous approaches and move over to an entirely new set of editorial practices.


by Jeffrey Feldman on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 02:35:29 PM EST
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Re: Can we just focus on content? (none / 0)

My suggestions are 100% about conent.  You are not making making a "content" argument, but a "quality" argument (e.g., if MyDD solicitations for front page conent include consideratioons of gender, race or military status, then that will lower the "quality" of the content).

Of course that is not what I said or implied. I said that the source of the content doesn't matter if the content is good. And that good content has been the determining factor in the value of the source, ime.

Your suggestion about women FP'ers:

I'd like to see more women writing on the MyDD front page. etc.

That's not about content.

Look - I get it. You want more content that reflects diversity. While perhaps poorly worded or incomplete, my comment was intended to state that I think good content is good content. And that diverse bloggers would emerge as their good content appeared. I see no reason to seek out (read "force") said diversity at MyDD since it is easily found at other sites.

I am not surprised you disagree. I just want to make sure you understand what I'm trying to say (I'm also not surprised it's taking me several tries to get the right words put together) and to ensure I understand what you are trying to say.


Karl in Drexel Hill, PA
by KB on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 02:22:53 PM EST
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Re: Can we just focus on content? (3.00 / 2)

I don't want  content that "reflects" diversity.  I want content that is diverse.

I see two reasons to seek out diversity:  (1) to increase the quality of the content on the site, and (2) to make the site more valuable to the readership moving forward.


by Jeffrey Feldman on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 02:33:13 PM EST
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Re: Can we just focus on content? (none / 0)

Jeffery, It seems to me, I may be wrong, that this is a progressive blog.

As such I'm interested in progessive ideas. Those ideas cross the gammit of values and economic and political (socio- and geo-) ideas.

I'm less interested in supporting a convensional political party, and am far more interested in supporting a progressive movement. Lieberman was raised as an example of a "Dem" who MyDD bashed without any consideration for the tons of comment on WHY he was viewed as contra progressive. This is an example of diversity of sorts by certainly deviates radically from a progressive agenda (and as Karl in Drexel Hill, PA progressive CONTENT. I think "bridges" are great when reaching out for solidarity. Somehow the  US Military just doesn't seem to be a hot bed for what we're talking about.

I could very well be wrong.


by Maxfield on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 12:25:30 PM EST
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seeking out diversity (none / 0)

This reply deliberately equates two claims:
"I see no reason to seek out diversity" and
"I see no reason to force diversity".
Of course, Jeffrey Feldman's point -- a point that I would view as at the very core of progressive values in the U.S. -- is that these are not the same at all. That "seeking out" diversity is NOT equivalent, and shouldn't be made synonymous with, "forcing" diversity.
by alw on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 01:06:34 PM EST
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Re: Can we just focus on content? (none / 0)

Who cares about gender, color, etc.  We are all Americans first and that is where our language and our actions need to be focused - not on color or gender.  Everybody has to eat and pee regardless of their demographic. CTG!


Follow the money
by dkmich on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 11:43:46 AM EST
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Re: Can we just focus on content? (none / 0)

Okay, first note that tact is not one of my strengths, here...

JF, I really like your ideas, and I also think you gave Karl the opposite of the benefit of the doubt.

I've already wondered if some readers take Tubman's (excellent and informative) posts, which are part of the same motivation-yes?, as merely tokens.  I confess to treating some of the union posts that way (as token representations).

As happy as I am that FDL has become so successful, I read it about 1/10th as much now as I did before they expanded and put in more authors.  (Okay, maybe I was a little over-dependent on my Fitzgerald fix beforehand, but... =-)


alternative suggestion:

Since you already have a variety of opinions in your readership, could you help extend our attention span with something complementary to the Breaking Blue column?  I really like how ThinkProgress has some key timelines maintained and other resources.

Currently, who's going to be able to follow through, say, on the good arguments people brought up about race-baiting 'n railroading and the merits of the old charges against Alcee Hastings?   That thread is off the front page already.

I really like how the LA-02 posts have jumping-off points.  I'm glad y'all pointed me to Jack and Jill Politics.  If I want to know more about how certain news is playing among people who are vets and/or African American, I go read Steve Gilliard's blog and comments.  

Since I've worked w/info. techn. before, I know that maintaining info is even more work than collecting and publishing it, but please consider a hybrid =-> solution to filling in gaps here.  Maybe a certain amount of work maintaining a slower-changing list of jumping-off points, plus of course keeping an open mind w/in MyDD, might be more effective than trying to cover every worthy issue in one blog.

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Side note: I voted for race as a polling issue and not the others, bc although I would be psyched to see a fellow leftie woman on the front page, I think the focus should be kept on elections, polling, etc.

I never read the open threads bc I take them as internal discussions between "regulars".


by Lyrebird on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 01:11:38 PM EST
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It IS About Content! (3.00 / 6)

I don't see the point of these suggestions.
I can't think of a better reason why they are needed.  You can't see what these suggestions would do to improve the site.  the only way you can see is to make the improvements.  Because you don't regularly expose yourself to analysts who come from the diverse perspectives Jeffrey is talking about, you don't know what you're missing.

However, here in Los Angeles, KPFK (Pacifica) radio has a weekly program Strategy Session hosted by Antonio Gonzales, the executive director of the Willie C. Velasquez Institute, the think tank associated with the Southwest Voter Registration Project.  It's the leading edge Latino think tank in the country, and has been for something like 20 year now.

The discussions Gonzales has are as wonky as what goes on here.  They're just considerably broader in scope because (1) Gonzales sees Hispanics as America's governing plurality of the future, and wants to make sure that they're ready for it, and that everything doesn't totally fall apart before their time comes, and (2) he also sees the US as part of the Western Hemisphere, the vast majority of which is non-white and non-English-speaking, so he's much more cognizant of hemispheric relations that have important implications for American politics, as well as people's everyday lives.

Just by listening to Strategy Session, I have a broader context for understanding politics than I would otherwise have, and I am more keenly aware of when I'm not hearing a Latino perspective that would be very important to hear on a given subject.

It's partly because I listen to Strategy Session that I wasn't that surprised when the GOP's attempt to scapegoat immigrants as a campaign strategy blew up in their faces last spring, with the massive demonstrations in Chicago, LA and countless other places across the country.

And you know what?  I haven't read one single post-election analysis here at MyDD that talks about how important those demonstrations were for laying the groundwork for the Democratic victory.  Having a Latino front-pager might not guarantee that we would have had such an analysis, but it significantly improves the chances.  And the importance of that is not just about Latino politics, it's about progressive activist politics in general.

I come to MyDD for wonky conversation about politics, with a focus on events that are happening.

Whether someone is female, in the army, or dark-skinned has absolutely no bearing on whether or not I read their posts. I am here to read content about progressives and moving the progressive agenda forward in today's political environment. I see no value in calling out specific subcategories of putative FP'ers. Because it's all about the content. Good content gets read and recommended. It drives discussion.

This sounds like it came from an internal memo at ABC/NBC/CBS, etc.  One would hope that folks here have a little more awareness.

The only way to gain a universal perspective is to hear from a universal spectrum of viewpoints.  Otherwise, the tendency is simply to assume that picking "the best" out of everyone who already agrees with you constitutes a universal perspective--and that everyone else just fails to see "the big picture."

But for someone like me, who tries to go out and find other perspectives, when I come back to MyDD, I definitely feel how white, male and young the place is.  I know how far from universal the outlook is, through no fault of the people who are here on the front page.  The problem is simply those who are not.

p.s.  I had a similar experience back in the early 1990s, when KPFK carried a syndicated show by Juliane Malveaux.  As a black female economist, she drew on the most diverse and articulate guest list I have ever heard on radio.  And she effortlessly shifted gears from wonky to everyday people speak.

Folks who have limited exposure to non-white wonks simply have no idea what they are missing out on.  It takes extra effort to find out.  It's much easier if a blog like MyDD makes the effort than if everyone who comes here has to make the effort themselves.  Bringing more diverse voices here is only one part of the equation--it would also involve building bridges to venues where those voices are already well-known.


by Paul Rosenberg on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 10:56:31 PM EST
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Re: It IS About Content! (none / 0)

You are so correct. Often times, and this is my problem with the poster's comment, it is the assumption that everyone can have a deeper understanding of everything. What I mean by this is that while it maybe true that Bowers or Stoller can talk on gay issues, I think, it would be difficult for them to talk about it on a level that is akin to being gay and in the community. As a result of being in the community, your knowledge of that community tends to be well deeper and the quality of the content more indepth. It's not always the case, but it is more likely. For example, my being gay and black means that I have tended, despite what the poster claims, to have had a more indepth interest in subject matters that have come up about race. For example, during the recent debate over the South, I posted here and at D Kos from a more black perspective because I felt the debate is often reduced to white Southern evangelical males rather than to a wider discussion of what strategies will matter in terms of the black experience.

I also find it insulting to here this called identity politics. It's a false frame. This isn't the frame of the early 90s or 80s where the frame was all about what names to call people. This is exactly about what strategies are the best strategies to reach out to members of these groups, what strategies in the long run with help the various groups in question, etc.

A deeper indepth analysis that is not all surface, just to give another example, would be the recent appointment of the Sen from FL as head of the RNC. I was struck by how quickly Kos on D Kos picked up on one of the central flaws with the Republican strategy. Namely, that the Sen is Cuban, and the response of the remaining Latino community to Cubans is different than those of other Latino nationalities such as Mexican or Central American.

Of all my criticize of the argument that race and gender etc does not matter is that it assumes that experience doesn't matter. That we are all equal in terms of our understanding of these issues. That's also false. It's not that one needs to assume that a person of any particular group will necessarily bring diversity, it's about playing the odds of who is more likely to have a more intimate knowledge.  


by bruh21 on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 12:32:05 PM EST
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Re: It IS About Content! (none / 0)

PS

re: the black experience and the Democratic strategy down south. My diary in part came about as a result of attempts to talk to Jerome Armstrong about this, and my frustration with what I thought was often shallow analysis by him and others. At one point, Jerome made a comment something like this- I can't remember the details right now, but I think this is right- that we should ignore the ideas of Whistling Passed Dixie (think thats the title), because it will hurt blacks the Democratic Party's natural constituency down south. My whole problem with that analysis was that from having lived down there most of my life, the truth seemed far different. It's precisely the opposite. if we want to help african americans down south, the best way is for the party to achieve a majority nationally by whatever means avaliable to it. If that means pursuing a non southern only strategy in messaging then they need to do exactly that. That the messaging that is often pursued (placating white southern voters who are cultuarlly conservative) is often the most detrimental to Blacks down south.


by bruh21 on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 12:51:40 PM EST
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Amen To That! (none / 0)

I would think that a 2-year old of any color could understand this.  The problem, I think, is precisely one of identity politics: white(boy) Democratic identity politics.  A kind of insular, well-intentioned, but bonehead stupid intention of doing right by others, regardless how much it hurts them.

Not that I think Jerome is stupid. Not at all.  In fact, that's precisely my point.  If even Jerome can't see past this, that really underscores how irreplaceably important a deep diversity of experience is.


by Paul Rosenberg on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 04:36:09 PM EST
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Re: Can we just focus on content? (none / 0)

More on economic and budget issues.  If the Dems do get power in 2008, there may be little money left to enact any progressive programs that require public money. The budget will be one of the three main points where the power struggle between Bush and the Congress takes place (the others being Iraq and national security/civil liberties).  People need to be informed on this.  I plan to do a series at The Next Hurrah on budget issues, and something like that would be good here.

I read this blog primarily to keep up with ideas, trends and activities among younger people, because young people are the future of the Dem Party and the country.  I have little patience for the vanity posts trashing various Dem politicos, but find the ones about organizing very interesting and encouraging.  

The netroots is only going to grow in influence, and I would like to see some of the post-election euphoria translate into policy/program discussions, particularly on those issues that should be of interest to the under-40's, such as global warming, fiscal sanity, expanding higher education and opportunity generally etc.

More diversity.  Fewer posts and comments demeaning those with differing views. Less ego.  Eyes on the Prize.  Or as Max Weber put it,

Politics is a strong and slow boring of hard boards. It takes both passion and perspective. Certainly all historical experience confirms the truth --that man would not have attained the possible unless time and again he had reached out for the impossible. But to do that a man must be a leader, and not only a leader but a hero as well, in a very sober sense of the word. And even those who are neither leaders nor heroes must arm themselves with that steadfastness of heart which can brave even the crumbling of all hopes. This is necessary right now, or else men will not be able to attain even that which is possible today. Only he has the calling for politics who is sure that he shall not crumble when the world from his point of view is too stupid or too base for what he wants to offer. Only he who in the face of all this can say 'In spite of all!' has the calling for politics.

 


by Mimikatz on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 01:39:18 PM EST
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Typo fixed (none / 0)

"all of" -> "to all parts of"

sigh.


Karl in Drexel Hill, PA
by KB on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 01:35:52 PM EST

Argh (none / 0)

Well that certainly makes me want to suggest a change...

Can we please have the ability to change/fix our comments?


Karl in Drexel Hill, PA
by KB on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 01:38:39 PM EST

Re: Argh (none / 0)

Hey KB:

Use the tags, Luke!

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2006/12/4/2 5540/2070/34#34


by blues on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 11:28:48 AM EST
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Re: Diversity On The Front Page: Some Ideas For My (none / 0)

Yeah, this is the Wonky side of politics on the net.

But...

We need some diversity.  Best example:

Mfume/Cardin.  I think we missed the boat by not having (and I could be mistaken) ONE front page post by an African American on the subject.

Also, there are too many Y chromosones on here.  Don't you all watch Battlestar Galactica?


Would you hire George W Bush to be YOUR latex salesman?
by jgkojak on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 01:39:25 PM EST

Re: Diversity On The Front Page: Some Ideas (none / 0)

BG is my religion.  Love that show.


by Jeffrey Feldman on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 01:41:38 PM EST
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Re: Diversity On The Front Page: Some Ideas (none / 0)


The whole Cylon/God thing has to have something to do with the original series "strange Lights" and "count Ibley"-- after all, they brought back Pegasus/Kaine storyline.

I also like to think we'll run into the Eastern Alliance/Terra thing.


Would you hire George W Bush to be YOUR latex salesman?
by jgkojak on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 02:14:44 PM EST
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loved it... (none / 0)

until the 3dr cycle.  i missed some episodes and when i came back i was totally lost.  i haven't seen one episode this year.  

i'm thinking i may just rent the dvds and catch up, but i don't know if it's worth it.  cycle 3 really seemed off kilter, like they writers were just making stuff up as they went along...


Visit us at TexasKAOS, where we're taking Texas back!
by annatopia on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:51:01 PM EST
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Cycle? (none / 0)

Did they rename it for the show?


by MNPundit on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:50:32 PM EST
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No social engineering or loss of focus, please! (3.00 / 1)

I think it's important not to try to make unorganic changes to the blog.

Such as choosing FPs with any considerations of diversity in mind, or going beyond its current scope, limited to issues of process - electoral and legislative.

For instance, healthcare is a key political issue in the 110th and every other Congress in the foreseeable future; a lot of politics is therefore going to be tied up with healthcare issues, and (sez me) I'd expect that politics to be dealt with here.

But at some point, politics shades into substance.

So, we currently have several plans that have either passed into law (MA and (I think) San Francisco), got vetoed (CA's SB 840) or not made it out of the starting-gate (Conyers's HR 676).

I could get to grips (with some effort - ugh!) with the politics of these plans - but evaluating and comparing the healthcare costs and benefits? No way!

And I doubt whether there are more than a handful of regulars here who could.

Second example: a month or two back, we had the Gulf drilling bill under consideration. I'd more or less marked this down as corporate welfare to Big Oil - something not to be rushed through at the tail end of a Congress.

Then, some folks from LA pointed out that the state wanted the moolah from the bill to help pay for Katrina damage to LA wetlands.

So, now what do I do? I can only decide whether to code the bill as one to support or oppose by examining the substance of the issue.

Yikes! Do you know how complicated the regime governing  offshore oil exploitation is? Not to mention evironmental considerations. And - well, I'd be floundering to make a judgement on the merits.

What to do? I think this is something that DKos should be handling. As it is, the size it is, it's a complete dog's breakfast, presentation-wise.

What it needs is just the sort of subject specific pages being talked about here, dealing with substance of issues of interest to lefties - healthcare would obviously be a must - around which professionals in the field concerned could organize, and give the rest of us informed analysis.

It has the visitor numbers and members to make something like that feasible.

Meanwhile, no goo-goo reform for MyDD - please!


by skeptic06 on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 02:48:12 PM EST

Re: No social engineering or loss of focus... (3.00 / 1)

I'm afraid I just don't see the site in this terms.  Sounds like you want this blog to become some sort of policy pamphlet.

But "social engineering"?  I'm having hard time figuring out if that's said in gest or not...


by Jeffrey Feldman on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:11:30 PM EST
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I think we're at cross purposes (none / 0)

I was picking up comments upthread suggesting that the blog cover science topics and the environment.

That sounded to me as if they were talking about substantive treatment of these issues, not about dealing with legislative or electoral implications.

When you say

Sounds like you want this blog to become some sort of policy pamphlet.

that's exactly what I'm saying I don't want.

And obviously saying it rather badly!

As for the diversity thing, I'd thought we'd talked this over pretty thoroughly as part of the Clintongate farrago (aka The War of Jessica's Breasts).

So far as I recall, there was a recognition that MyDD was mostly a white boys' club, but, since there was absolutely no impediment on anyone joining in here, and plenty of other political blogs with different characteristics, there was no cause to get our panties in a bunch.

That was my view, at any rate!


by skeptic06 on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 04:11:28 PM EST
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Re: I think we're at cross purposes (none / 0)

It's a good view.  But I think the "white boys club" is not really who "we" are if you take the full readership into account.

I'm glad you picked up on the environment suggestion because what I hope people will see, here, is that we have the opportunity at this sight to throw some ideas at the moderators--just ideas.   "Hey, it would be great if...when you talk amongst yourselves about ways to make this site even better...you remembered that conversation last week with a bunch of ideas..."  That kind of thing.

I think one of the opportunities we have here is to post our ideas when we get them, so that's all.

Anyway, point noted:  no pamphlets.


by Jeffrey Feldman on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 04:19:21 PM EST
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Re: Who we are? (none / 0)

Americans.  Very simple.


Follow the money
by dkmich on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 11:45:02 AM EST
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Re: Who we are? (none / 0)

We are all Americans, but in different ways. What we share doesn't mean we need to ignore what we don't.


by bruh21 on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 12:34:59 PM EST
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Re: Who we are? (none / 0)

Second, we are Democrats or, at least, progressives who want to take our party and the country back.  Our words and our actions need to speak to the common ground.  Populism is about common people, not about groups of people within.  I think diversity is PC, code, and overblown.  Discrimination is wrong.  Nobody here is discriminating.   Therefore, I don't care what sex or color they are.  If Chris likes someone's diary and think it has something to offer, FP it.  I'm sure I'll agree with his judgement most of the time because it makes sense and not because the writer was a female. Its like voting for Hillary because she is a female.  No way.  She earns it or else. Are you saying females are too weak to compete here head on?  


Follow the money
by dkmich on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 12:45:35 PM EST
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Re: Who we are? (3.00 / 1)

I love your post because it pretends the world is either/or. Black/white. Yes/no. I am arguing nuiance. That on the whole, bringing people of differing backgrounds into the mix increases the depth of analysis (Kos being of Latino background aided in his frontpage diary on the pick of the Senator from FL who is Cuban in ways that another diary on the subject that had been recommended missed), that no matter how progressive one is it doesn't trump having first hand experience within a class (OConnor's experience w/ having been a woman for example on the S Ct mattered because for her it wasnt an abstraction), etc, and your responses back are a lot of platitudes, attempted insults (come on the PC reference was cute, but let's be real here) and a lot of red herrings about quality.    I am glad that you personally are abouve the fray, but the rest of the electorate is not. If you are going to discuss strategies to reach out to people about say populism without understanding how to do proper messaging to differeing groups, and if you think that we all have equal knowledge on these subjects, then that's cool. I simply do not. I recognize my limitations. I could never speak on the subjects of being Irish in America like Jim Webb has done, who drawing on those experiences has been trying to  link them to the AA experience. Having the differing voices will aid in the linking and messaging, not hurt it. It only hurts it if we pretend that these things aren't a part of life, and that even if we are talking about the same concepts, we may talk about them in a different way, or it may result in a different strategy altogether. Like I said, nuiance and complexity, not one size fit all phrases. I am playing likelihoods, not certainties. Diversity of background is more likely to increase diversity of understanding whether a strategy is truly going to be effective or not rather than abstractly trying to guage the numbers which I assume you know is mostly an art, rather than an exact science.


by bruh21 on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 01:12:59 PM EST
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Re: Who we are? (none / 0)

I love your post because it pretends the world is either/or. Black/white. Yes/no. I am arguing nuiance. That on the whole, bringing people of differing backgrounds into the mix increases the depth of analysis (Kos being of Latino background aided in his frontpage diary on the pick of the Senator from FL who is Cuban in ways that another diary on the subject that had been recommended missed), that no matter how progressive one is it doesn't trump having first hand experience within a class (OConnor's experience w/ having been a woman for example on the S Ct mattered because for her it wasnt an abstraction), etc, and your responses back are a lot of platitudes, attempted insults (come on the PC reference was cute, but let's be real here) and a lot of red herrings about quality.    I am glad that you personally are abouve the fray, but the rest of the electorate is not. If you are going to discuss strategies to reach out to people about say populism without understanding how to do proper messaging to differeing groups, and if you think that we all have equal knowledge on these subjects, then that's cool. I simply do not. I recognize my limitations. I could never speak on the subjects of being Irish in America like Jim Webb has done, who drawing on those experiences has been trying to  link them to the AA experience. Having the differing voices will aid in the linking and messaging, not hurt it. It only hurts it if we pretend that these things aren't a part of life, and that even if we are talking about the same concepts, we may talk about them in a different way, or it may result in a different strategy altogether. Like I said, nuiance and complexity, not one size fit all phrases. I am playing likelihoods, not certainties. Diversity of background is more likely to increase diversity of understanding whether a strategy is truly going to be effective or not rather than abstractly trying to guage the numbers which I assume you know is mostly an art, rather than an exact science.


by bruh21 on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 01:13:10 PM EST
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Re: Diversity On The Front Page: Some Ideas For My (none / 0)

Man, given the comments in this thread, if they ever decide to give a chick FP permissions then they will be considered the diversity poster.  Sheesh.

BTW...someone in my post that was FP'd earlier this week thought I was a dude.  I'm not.


by juls on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:44:22 PM EST

Re: Diversity On The Front Page: Some Ideas For My (3.00 / 1)

I don't know about that.  The point is not to have quotas, but just to consider a some new options when inviting people.  I don't think, for example, that FDL considers the men who post on the front page to be "diversity posters."  


by Jeffrey Feldman on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 04:03:50 PM EST
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Re: Diversity On The Front Page: Some Ideas For My (none / 0)

I was more reacting to the people in the comments here rather than the FPers.  

In the end the community members don't get to make the call.  They can choose whomever they want.


by juls on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 04:44:39 PM EST
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Re: Diversity On The Front Page: Some Ideas For My (3.00 / 1)

MyDD is a tactical blog, it needs good tactical writers. If you find good tactical writers that are minority or women or military or whatnot, fine. But it's hard to think of another blog or writer who writes such tactical stuff that isn't already working as a pollster or for a dead-tree rag.


by MNPundit on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:52:52 PM EST

It's Hard To Think... (3.00 / 1)

That's the whole point of affirmative action, baby.  To break folks out of the rut of easy thinking.  

There's incredible segregation on the net.  Segregation that has no basis in geography, as so much realworld segregation does.  It's a segregation of the mind.  And it takes conscious action to break out of it.


by Paul Rosenberg on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 10:07:32 PM EST
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Re: It's Hard To Think... (none / 0)

I'm not here to assist with affirmative action.  I'm here for the analysis.  As the other poster said, put good info out and nobody cares who wrote it.


Follow the money
by dkmich on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 12:47:12 PM EST
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what does good analysis mean if you are getting it all from one source which is often talking about say Latinos or women or blacks. Your post is very simple minded because it doesn't recognize that these issues are often experience based. Understanding how to be a better manager for example isn't simply a matter of having read about how to make a better product. It's also a matter of having had to make the product. There is no guarantee that either having read about it or having made the product, that one can guarantee a better outcome, but limiting your toolbox to only what one learns from reading articles on the subject seems counter productive, rather than productive, to good analysis.


by bruh21 on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 01:18:24 PM EST
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You're just arguing against your own rhetoric,  here.  Basically, you've said that you don't care who makes the burgers as long as the burgers continue to taste good.  Then, after saying that, you argue that if we hire new cooks, the burgers won't taste good anymore.

Look..if, as you put it, we are all American, then why not reach out to more Americans? If that's your view, then you shouldn't care who we reach out to.   And if it's just about finding good analysis, why not say, "Hey, we haven't looked over there for good anlaysis.  Let's try that next time!"   Againk, it shouldn't matter to you if the editorial practice adds on a few new search criteria.

So, it seems to me that if you actually read what's in the post, you will see we are on the same page.


by Jeffrey Feldman on Sun Nov 19, 2006 at 08:08:10 AM EST
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MyDD is Not DailyKos (none / 0)

I like it the way it is.  I like the few voices that get the front page - they are the personality of the  blog.  If you want different voices, differenet perspectives, differnt topics - go to a different blog -- I hear the tubes are filed with them.  Bookmark your favorites and check them everyday.  Come here for what HERE has to offer, find what else you want elsewhere.


by David in Burbank on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 11:38:30 AM EST

Blogs to Watch (3.00 / 1)

Hey Jeffrey,

Thanks for being so conscious of diversity.  It's appreciated by the people of color who read this website.

I like your idea of switching the "Open Threads" to a "Blogs to Watch".  It could highlight other blogs, one with different perspectives. In addition to being exposed to new voices, the MyDD community could offer comments on what they like/dislike about the other blogs and how they can attract more traffic.


by exLogCabin on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 12:03:17 PM EST

Re: Diversity On The Front Page: Some Ideas For My (3.00 / 1)

I agree to some extent with the commenters above who say essentially that MyDD ain't broke, so don't fix it. While it would be interesting to have a woman's perspective for working inside a campaign, I hardly think it's something that should be done just to have a woman's voice.

That being said, if you're looking for an "offseason" series of topics, here's what I would be interested in (as someone who is greatly interested in politics, but has very little time to involve myself at this point).

1) Profiles on well-known possible candidates and prospective recruiting targets to competitive races, perhaps even e-mailing and offering them a post to describe themselves as a way of introduction.

2) A look ahead to the 2010 census. Perhaps a look back at what happened in 2000, where we lost/gained seats, and what the demographic trends are telling us (if this sort of data exists outside the census itself).

3) Following up on #2, a look at states where we could possibly gerrymander seats, a look at state legislative seats we could target to give us control in state houses that are split - all this looking forward to controlling as many of them as we can for the 2010 elections.

4) A look at Bush's judicial nominees, why we're blocking them, and what his appointments that have gotten through have done once they're on the bench (although here, the one judge I can name off the top of my head - Judge Jones who presided over the Dover intelligent design trial - deserves a big HA HA)!

5) Maybe a series on voting machines in general. All the ones that are still in use in the U.S., how they work, and which states use them. Also possible obsticles to having a uniform, trustworthy, paper-trail containing voting system in every state.

Just some ideas off the top of my head. Many of these may not be feasable, but these are the sorts of topics I'd love to see MyDD tackle. :)


by Wade on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 12:23:29 PM EST

Re: Diversity (3.00 / 2)

What I find fascinating about the posts about well this is a strategy site is that people here seem to think they can talk strategy (often times in the context of talking about groups such as women, latinos, etc) without having anyone who follows these issues intensely as the leaders of the discussion. What I found instructive for example the other day when discussing the RNC pick - the Cuban guy- was that not a lot of people missed an obvious flaw in the approach, namely what Kos immediately said in his analysis of the pick- that the choice was a Cuban, and what that means for the Latino vote. These kinds of nuiances are - frankly- often lost here and elsewhere. I will read comments like "what will the gay vote be?" And I think - well it depends on who you are talking to, what they perceive of as the party that will represent their interests. If they, for example are mostly conservative, and they have to choose between the two parties, and yet neither seems different on the gay issue, they may choose the GOP. These sorts of things come up all the time. I don't really understand how you can talk "strategy" and not have that info in the context. A lot of these things are experiential, and strategy is only as good as it accurately reflects as much as possible the communities that you are trying to define for electoral gains.


by bruh21 on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 12:41:49 PM EST

Re: Diversity On The Front Page: Some Ideas For My (none / 0)

This is a wonderful topic. I hope it continues for the rest of the week, at least.

These are not either/or choices here. Reaching out to women or minorities is also reaching out to the general concerns of everybody.

I would like to see more articles on workplace issues, outsourcing, unemployment, and the employer-employee relationship as Republicans have managed to define it.  I am surprized and appalled that Progressive sites in general have done such a piss-poor job of covering workplace issues.

I think rural issues are also very important. Rural readers have substantially the same interests the rest of us do, but we need to do a better job of telling them where we stand and how they benefit.

Web technology has changed out from under myDD and many other Progressive sites. I'd like to see more interactivity here, but interactivity that helps me to find what I'm looking for a lot more quickly.  Do the terms AJAX and Web 2.0 ring a bell?  

sc


by blue73 on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 01:03:01 PM EST

Powered Armor Suits (none / 0)

I'd  like more blogs and info about powered armor suits.  Why I don't have one, how I might get one, what the one I get might be capable of (lasers, missiles, space flight, etc.).

I hardly ever see anything about powered armor and my lack thereof on this (or any other) site.


McCain sucks!
by teknofyl on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 04:22:35 PM EST

Re: Powered Armor Suits (none / 0)

your reaction is exactly why more diversity is needed.


by bruh21 on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 04:34:15 PM EST
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Environment-focused front page posts (none / 0)

Add my vote to the idea of an environment-focused FP series or poster.  

I actually wrote an entire diary here last week about this very topic: it's called "Ten Reasons for the Netroots to Reach Out to Environmentalists," and it assesses the many structural, ethical, and strategic reasons that more emphasis on an environmental-netroots alliance is wise.  See it here:
http://mydd.com/story/2006/11/10/215346/ 19

Either way, I really would value the environmental policy discussion, especially with the new Congress opening some doors...


by Syrith on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 06:41:12 PM EST

Re: Diversity On The Front Page: Some Ideas For My (none / 0)

I like the ideas and I think that for the discussion to be as full and exciting and analytical as possible, there should be a real mix of writers.

And I think that by extending an invitation to new voices, it will enrich this site. Points of view are formed and affected by life's experiences and I think that's what a diverse selection of writers will accomplish.

I have just finished working on a campaign for a black candidate and it became painful to many of the volunteers to witness the behavior of the young and white staff. So, many of the folks of color could see the deficit that the campaign suffered with an atmosphere of cultural exclusivity.

I think that we should encourage folks to engage with different points-of-view. And quite frankly, living in this country while Asian, or Latino, or Black, or any number of other identities, can bring new ideas and fresh perspectives.

Yes, even the progressive agenda.


by northshore barbie on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 07:26:57 PM EST

Re: Diversity On The Front Page: Some Ideas (none / 0)

i absolutely agree that diversity in content--which we all seem to agree is a desirable goal--requires a diversity in experience (which often corresponds to diversity of demographic groups).  

mydd.com is one of my top 3 favorite blogs, but i have often noticed this one weak spot.  IMO the absence of women's voices is the most glaring problem, and i am pretty surprised that some of those commenting here don't recognize how the absence of women (and men of color, etc.) limits the range and the quality of the content here.  

yes, let's keep mydd focused on strategic analysis, AND let's use the full range of the brainpower available on that subject.  

kudos to Jeffrey for bringing this up.  


by chiefscribe on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 07:28:13 PM EST

Re: Diversity On The Front Page: Some Ideas (none / 0)

absence of women (and men of color, etc.)

Or woc like Jill Tubman. Inclusiveness on MyDD would bring in alot more participants. Tactically, it doesn't have to change but the addition of Jill has made a huge difference. It makes a difference to women and poc and Democrats will win more elections with more more people in the tent. Hopefully by the next cycle, the electoral politics and identity politics blogs (feminists, poc, military folks, environmentalists) will have merged. We will then be assured to win more elections.


--donna darko. I don't read or respond to comments. There's too much hate and misogyny here.
by nonwhiteperson on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 11:08:22 PM EST
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Re: Diversity On The Front Page: Some Ideas (none / 0)

(right--when i said women, i meant all women.  "women and people of color" implies that "women"=white women only.  )


by chiefscribe on Sun Nov 19, 2006 at 02:00:42 AM EST
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Re: Diversity On The Front Page: Some Ideas (none / 0)

Silly me! I'm so into intersectionality studies these days I forget women includes me.


--donna darko. I don't read or respond to comments. There's too much hate and misogyny here.
by nonwhiteperson on Sun Nov 19, 2006 at 03:59:09 AM EST
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Re: Diversity On The Front Page: Some Ideas (none / 0)

For those not in the know, "identity politics" blogs exist because they feel left out of the progressive electoral politics blogs. And progressive electoral politics blogs exist because they feel left out of the national political debate, etc.  


--donna darko. I don't read or respond to comments. There's too much hate and misogyny here.
by nonwhiteperson on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 11:16:46 PM EST
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Re: Diversity On The Front Page: Some Ideas For My (none / 0)

I believe rangeragainstwar should be invited. He is insightful and, more importantly, has "been there" and brings a new perspective to what's happening.


by SPIIDERWEB on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 07:46:03 PM EST

Re: Diversity On The Front Page (none / 0)

I really like the idea about adding links to diverse blogs to the open threads. If I'm in a web-surfing mood, one of the things I'd be very interested in seeing is minority perspectives on politics, and I'd be enthusiastic if the open threads here pointed me towards a few especially good articles each time. There are some voices that just don't get represented online quite as much as others, and I for one appreciate being pointed towards thoughtful commentary from those voices--writers of color in particular, but anyone with a unique cultural or societal perspective, really.


by tjekanefir on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 09:45:59 PM EST

Re: Diversity On The Front Page: Some Ideas For My (none / 0)

I could have sworn I posted somethnig. Yo Jeff, was I censored? I don't think I said anything wrong :)

Just checking.


field-negro
by field negro on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 11:26:54 PM EST

Re: Diversity On The Front Page: Some Ideas For My (none / 0)

MyDD isn't a blog about everything.  Expanding scope risks losing focus.

Becoming a regular front page blogger at any reasonable size blog is about two things:

1) Ability to produce regular content on a schedule that is brutal.  

2) That that content be both consistent and reasonably good. It doesn't have to be great often, but it must not actually stink.

FDL was mentioned above.  I rather doubt FDL expanded its roster of front pagers just for diversity - they did so because two people doing all the writing on a major blog are prone to burnout.  

I'm not aware of any major group blog which wouldn't like to have more women, gays, ethnics, whatever, but frankly all of that is irrelevant to #1 and #2.  Find me someone who meets those two, and I can work with and who is at least modestly compatible philosophically, and they could be a bloody Nartian and it wouldn't matter, they'd be front paged so fast that their head spins.

Blogging at the pace required for a political blog is work.  And very few people are willing to do a part time job for nothing, or damn near nothing.


by Ian Welsh on Sun Nov 19, 2006 at 02:34:18 AM EST


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